Kieth,I don't know we're eggy is pulling these break times from your actual time allowed is 20mins if you work more Than 6hrs goverment directive not unions,if a firm doesn't recognise unions that's what you get like it or lump it... Firms who work with unions tend to get a better deal that's a fact,when the union will discuss a deal which in the First instance will be with the lads & lasses on the shop floor & what they would like,we as union officials Will put this to management...But if management wanted to be mean they can quote goverment rules Which means you have to go with what they say,sometimes you might get something out of them as they like to Be seen to been good,theres some different rules for shift workers but not a lot of difference... What's annoying is working class people slagging unions off,maybe they should ask what they can do for them instead Of been treated like Victorian slaves because that's what's happening thatcher started it.....