Canny lass

3 minutes ago, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

... just testing your memory🙃 

did you find one to test?

I can't recognise anyone by name but nr 15 bears a strong resemblance to Esther Rochester who had the shop at Netherton Colliery but lived in the village. However, if these are all parents then it can't be her because she and Bob didn't have any children. Nr 42 is very familiar and, as I didn't know any adults from the village, apart from Esther,  she could have lived in the Colliery. The sheer number of women on that photo leads me to suspect that some of them must have been from other than the village. I don't think there were so many families there. Sorry. Can't be of any more help on this one.

I think you're right, Jammy. There must have been two with the same name. This photo is after 1959. I recognise a few of the Netherton children on this photo, all approximately.3 years younger than me and Pat Simm the netball player is my age.

Jammy, see my last post and see if you agree.

An after-thought. Pat Simm must have been born 1947. Would that date fit in with your Pat Simm?

Here is Pat Simm again (nr 16). Jammy, could you be getting her mixed up with Valerie Simm (Nr 35) who looks more like 'your' pat Simm?

1959 photo and the teacer here is named as the unmarried Nancy McLean.

I can't believe that is the same Pat Simm on both photos. This one is certainly not the Pat Simm I knew.

She was Miss MacLean when I started there in 1958 but married (McDonald) I think about 18 months later.

This is pat Simm. (nr 6). Same age as Ann Chapelhow who was in my class.

I don't think 21 is Pat Simm, unless there were two. Pat Simm, as I knew her, would be 1 - 2 years older than the people I know on this photo.

2 hours ago, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

I should stop trying to multitask

Never! Practice makes perfect!

Now I've got it! we're discussing this in two different places!

If Nr. 1 is Barron Smith in this photo then he is also nr 15 in the second photo for this band.

I've no idea who Joe Jones is but he's shown as nr 16 in this photo.

Time for bed. My head's hurting!
 

Now I'm totally confused! Have you changed the numbers?

That IS Joe Grant!

No need to apologize. You do a fantastic job with these photos, which is greatly appreciated. It can't be easy!

I have wondered a couple of times if No 15 could be Joe Grant. He's holding a cornet, his  build is more like Joe's and he's also got glasses. During my time in Netherton Joe was the only band member I can remember with glasses.

"Previous update wrong - No 1 is Joe Grant".

Joe was a short, stocky kind of guy, frequent visitor in my childhood home. I don't think this is him. Joe was never a trombone player. His instrument was the cornet, which he played excellently. He was usually the one playing the cornet solo for the judges outside the old council offices on Front Street.

He was already an adult when I knew him so I don't think he could become any taller.

No 1 (the same guy) is  named as Barron (Biff) Smith on a previous photo of the band taken outside the Brentforn Nylon Factory, under the sign.

Paul, I'll send you a personal message.

Correction! Carol's photo of Yard Row shows the same type of window.

https://www.bedlington.co.uk/gallery/image/247-back-of-yard-row/

Office Row was also brick-built as were most of the other pit buildings. Perhaps the first 20 or so houses of Howard Row, nearest the pit, were also brick. They were built many years before the rest of Howard Row.

7 hours ago, Canny lass said:

Is he sure it's Howard Row? I have it on very good authority (family) that Howard Row was stone-built. This looks like brick.

Widow seems abit big for the colliery houses as well.

Naturally, that should have said 'window' not widow!

Is he sure it's Howard Row? I have it on very good authority (family) that Howard Row was stone-built. This looks like brick.

Widow seems abit big for the colliery houses as well.

On 09/03/2020 at 18:46, Paul Lucas said:

Canny Lass my father Henry Lucas was also born at either No1 or 7 Howard Row in 1920. Are there any photos of these houses and what happened to them ?

 

Hello Paul! Welcome to the forum. Look at the 1947 map which I posted above a couple of years ago. Howard Row was built in two blocks, with several years inbetween. The first block, the oldest of the Howard pit houses, is nearest the pit head and is where your father was born at nr.7 The numbers ran from 1-22 starting at the pit and going towards the social club. Your family may have lived there quite a while as there is a Lucas family at that address in 1911.

I was born in 1947 at the other end of the street but have no memory of how it was because the family was möved to alternative accommodation shortly afterwards so that the houses could be demolished. I know, that at 3 yo I was still living the alternaive accommodation but the family must have returned to the newer  colliery houses shortly after, because I started school at Netherton Infants at the age of 4½ in 1951. We lived then in Third Street. 

By then Howard Row and Yard Row no longer  existed.They then seem to have been demolished a few years as the sites were overgrown with grass and bushes - a favourite playground area! The sites of the two blocks of Howard Row  can be clearly seen in the ariel photo running north from the letter M up to the pit.

 Howard Row, nrs 1-22  were the smallest of the colliery houses with only two rooms. Yard Row consisted also of two rooms . The odd house had three rooms but this was because the residents built make-shift lean-toos over the outer areas However, the second block of Howard Row, nearest the  social club was built with three rooms. Residents, even here increased some houses to four rooms using the same ingenuity as in Yard Row. As I said previously, I never saw these houses so yhe information I can offer is only what I've heard from older family members about living conditions in Howard Row.(my oldest siste was 20 years older than me).

In his book on Netherton, Evan Martin shares this photo of Howard Row, presumably the gap between the two blooks.

In the gallery you can find this photo which is reportedly of Clifton Row. I played with school friend in Clifton Row and can't remember it being as delapidated as this. Clifton Row was the newer, more modern of the pit rows before First-Third Street were built. I think this is Yard Row or even Howard Row. Both rows were built to the same plan I believe.

On 27/02/2020 at 18:39, Apple John said:

Think the date is 1965.As Ursula Marley left to go to senior school in  July 1965 and myself, Ann Ridley , Anne Brown  Glynis and others left in July 1966.

John Mather

OK. My relative would have just had his 4th birthday so I thought he wasn't old enough to have started school. I thought they started at 5 yo.

2 hours ago, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

Nobody has confirmed the year of 1967.

1967 sounds more reasonable than the 1965 stated on the photo. I965 my relative wasn't old enough to start school.

Having a bit of difficulty getting my head around the details in that photo! I recognise a relative, already named, but his age and the date on the photo don't quite match up. Also having difficulties with the building. Had the infant school at NETHERTON closed and had the pupils transferred to NEDDERTON? Netherton was an infant school but Nedderton was a Junior school.in my time. I'll have to do a bit of digging.

It could well be the rear of the building which faces the road in Nedderton village but I think the window panes were upright, same as the front of the building. Of course, they could have fitted new windows. Can't imagine where they fitted in 72 pupils!!

Thanks Eggy, I think the 1950 photo also shows Paul as the same people are in both photos - I'm assuming it's the whole class. In 1950 Paul would be about 6 yo but Kevin was a few years older.

Nr. 13 Surname is Goonan but, if this is 1950 it could be Kevin's younger brother Paul. How old would these children be when the photo was taken?