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  1. My honest opinion is that we need to get rid of the whole lot and introduce a new style of government. We've got umpteen ways these days of casting an instant vote on anything of importance, so why leave things up to these idiots, why not let the people vote on practically every issue by simply pressing whatever button is nearest them: phone, tv or computer? In other words, have NO political Parties at all.

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  2. 24 minutes ago, moe19 said:

    Sky and the BBC did a hatched job on Nigel's speech and only showed the part when he was booed. but gave a full boring version of the Queen of Scotland prattling on and on about what she is going to do


    Fish-face will get nowhere with this - let her prattle.


    I laughed when that Scottish MEP (don't know his name, don't care) stood up and said Scotland supported the EU, when it's a plain fact that nigh-on 40% supported Brexit!

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  3. I found this from the book you referenced CL:


    One of the founding fathers of the EU, Jean Monnet, also a devout Roman Catholic, totally rejected the idea that Europe should consist of sovereign nations. He believed in the Catholic vision that Europe should become a federal superstate, into which all ancient nations would be fused. 'Fused' is the word he used in a communication dated 30th April 1952, and is wholly consistent with the language of the Maastricht Treaty.


  4. Just hearing all this talk about how the EU is now going to be turned into a Superstate (I thought it already was) has prompted me to post this little gem ...


    In a letter to a friend, dated 30th April 1952, from Jean Monnet, one of the 'founding fathers' of the EU:



    "Europe's nations should be guided towards a super state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." The single currency was the most important of these steps: as Monnet said, "Via money Europe could become political in five years." - Jean Monnet

    So, from the year I was born, this has been planned. You've got to admire their tenacity.

  5. 7 hours ago, Spuggy said:

    MOE19 & webtrekker




    I speak as I find.

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    ... And maybe I should have listened to them when they started complaining about all the tap-dancing – at my age.


    It's not knees with me CL, it's eyes. When I first skimmed over that line I thought it said lap-dancing! :D Or maybe it's my brain and not my eyes that's the problem!;)

  7. I'm not liking this little snippet taken from a BBC article obout funding for Science now that we are leaving the EU ...



    To maintain access to the EU stream, Britain will likely now have to get itself some kind of "associated country" status, similar to the positions held by other non-EU countries such as Norway, Switzerland and Israel.

    Associated countries pay a GDP membership fee to "join the club", after which, in principle, their scientists can bid for support in the same way as those from full EU member states.

    But the exact arrangements will need to be worked out, and are going to depend on wider economic and political factors.

    Switzerland, for example, only has "partial" associated status currently because it is not allowing Croatian citizens free access to its labour market.

    And having free movement to work collaboratively is central to the way modern science is done.


    If that's the price we have to pay then I'd say 'Stuff Science!'

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  8. Meanwhile, in a far-flung nation a certain Senator Jeff Sessions gives his views .....



    The British people, our special friends and allies, deserve our full support following their sovereign and considered decision to leave the European Union.

    The people spoke from their hearts and with conviction. They considered deep and critical issues never discussed by the international elites. Their strong vote arose not out of fear and pique but out of love for country and pride of place. Their experience with a distant government in Brussels was given a long and fair chance to succeed. In the end, however, they concluded that the costs outweighed the benefits. Often, Britain makes changes that precede U. S. action. The Thatcher movement preceded the Reagan revolution. Both were victories for the people over outdated and corrupt forces. Both were achieved against powerful and determined establishment forces. Both resulted in historic and positive periods in their nation’s history.

    Now it’s our time. The period of the nation state has not ended. No far off global government or union can command the loyalty of a people like their own country. Vague unions have no ability to call on the people to sacrifice for the common good. They seem incapable of making decisions and when they do, they have difficulty executing the decision.

    Far better to celebrate the wonder and proven worth of good nation states and to work hard to use that foundation to build harmonious political and trading relations among the nations. This is the best basis for peace and prosperity.

    In negotiations and relationships, national leaders should first ensure they have protected the safety and legitimate interests of their own people. This principle has been eroded and Brexit is a warning for America. Our British friends have sent the message loud and clear.

    The interests of powerful international corporations, media, special interests, and leftist international forces are not coterminous with those of our people. This we must understand. The ultimate interest that our government is legally and morally bound to serve is that of our people.

    Just as in the U.K., our November presidential election presents a stark contrast. The establishment forces, the global powers, are promoting their values and their interests. They want to erode borders, rapidly open America’s markets to foreign produced goods, while having little interest in advancing America’s ability to sell abroad. These forces have zero interest in better job opportunities and higher wages for our citizens.

    It has been known for years that the European Union has often served as a barrier to its members taking action that would serve their own interests. Perhaps nothing proves this more definitively than the current migrant crisis, where the EU has clearly been part of the problem, not the solution.

    And, consider the promotion of radical trade policies that erode the power of the people to control their lives. Millions upon millions of dollars from around the globe are being spent to get America to agree to the massive, twelve-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership. While sold as a trade deal, in reality, the TPP is a Trojan Horse for yet another sovereignty-eroding global pact. If implemented, it would create a new governing body that would exercise power and make decisions that the United States Congress would be effectively powerless to block. Like the EU, each nation gets one vote. Brunei and Vietnam get one vote as does the President of the United States.

    We must remember that the European Union began as a seemingly benign economic agreement, and we must not forget, that as Secretary of State, with negotiating responsibility for the TPP, Hillary Clinton promoted it and called it the ‘gold standard’ for a trade deal. That should give us all pause. This sovereignty eroding trade deal is in perfect accord with her globalist agenda.

    Too many politicians and pundits here in America have been woefully oblivious to, or in some cases complicit in, what is going on around us. The failed European Union experiment, and Great Britain’s rejection of it must serve as a wake-up call for all of us in America.

    I applaud yesterday’s strong and patriotic action taken by America’s special friend, retaking its independence. I know that moving forward the deep and historic ties between Great Britain and America will grow ever stronger. I believe the American people too will choose independence this November.


    Source: http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/sessions-brexit-allowed-british-people-rejected-international-elites-now-americas-turn/

  9. 2 hours ago, mercuryg said:

    Just had a brainwave; since we've voted to leave the EU, can we now have a referendum on whether we should leave the World? Then we could just be invisible; nobody would know Britain was here. It would be total class. We could do what we wanted, when we wanted, because we would no longer be here. Who's in?




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    ‘We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum,’


    Fair enough, but that rule should have been implemented BEFORE the Referendum. Pillocks!

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  11. Here's another very important read before you vote .....................





    EU to start fresh Turkey accession talks within few days

    The European Union is scheduled to open a new round of negotiations over Turkey’s accession to the 28-member politico-economic bloc within the next few days.

    An EU diplomatic source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said on Wednesday that EU member states will sit together on June 30 to reach a consensus on opening a new negotiating chapter with Turkey on finance and budget affairs.

    European Union leaders pledged in March to speed up Turkey’s EU membership process in exchange for help on the refugee crisis.

    On March 18, an agreement was clinched in Brussels between then Turkish prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, and the EU to curb the huge flow of asylum seekers and refugees heading to Europe.

    Under the agreement, Turkey has accepted a series of measures aimed at curbing the inflow of refugees from the country to Greece in return for some benefits, including billions of dollars in aid, visa-free travel for Turks to Europe and, more significant than all, acceleration in the EU’s processing of Turkey’s long-awaited bid for membership in the continental body.

    Critics say Ankara is using the EU refugee crisis as a platform not only to get money but also to make a fresh push on talks over Turkey's membership in the EU and visa-free travel for Turks to Europe's Schengen zone.

    The EU lawmakers have in return said that they would hold Turkey to EU press freedom and other standards in the accession talks.

    Ankara's accession has become a hot-button issue in the run-up to Thursday's Brexit referendum, especially as supporters of the “Leave” camp argue that the membership will open the doors for millions of Turks to enter Britain.

    Even though British Prime Minister David Cameron's official position is to back Ankara's membership, he says it will take years for Turkey to join the EU.

    Turkey, which straddles Asia and Europe, entered formal membership talks with the EU in 2005, but the bloc has opened 15 chapters out of the 35 required for Ankara’s accession. Only one chapter has been completed so far.


    Source: http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/06/22/471666/EU-Turkey-accession

  12. 1 hour ago, mercuryg said:

    I disagree; a vote for x is better than a vote for y (or vice-versa) when compared to not bothering because you believe your vote means nothing. Why do you think the turnout figures at elections are so poor? Let's say 30% of people don't bother to vote. That's 30 out of every 100 people. What a difference it could make if that 30% actually paid attention, and voted one way or the other even for just a minor, one-off point that they thought may benefit them! There's nothing weak-willed in voting, ever. I'd venture the opposite. Get out and vote tomorrow. 

    Yes, but what if you've no confidence in any Party? Do you just put your mark against the one that least offends you, even though it grieves you to give them a vote, or do you show your distaste by not voting for anyone?

    Every ballot paper should have a box marked 'No confidence in any of the above, please supply another list of candidates! :D

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