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    I have a feeling that that's more a commentary on the people you heard it from than on the "few self-obsessed locals"!
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    Seems another, albeit less important, election has been forecast for June 8th.
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    What a beautiful beautiful world when all the sane and stable pillars of the community show so much concern for the terminally unhinged?! Pop stars Jarvis Cocker and Bob Geldof to speak at Brexit fallout event First she cares about our fledgling democracy, and now she's caring about our mental health. Is there no end to this woman's humanity?
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    On a happier note, these are my 'babies'. They cost me a fortune in crushed oats, sunflower seeds and carrots.They've learned to 'headbut' the bird feeder causing the seeds to gush out onto the ground and wait at the kitchen door for carrots. Not completely tame yet - they won't let me touch them but I can stand among them.
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    The poem is by John Edward Fitzgerald Black, better known as Jack Black. It is from a book called Reflections on Life at Netherton and was published in his memory by his wife Petra in 1994. Petra was a German prisoner of war and remained here when she married Jack. I will always remember her going about, first, on her bike, and later on her moped in her nurses uniform and cape. The book is written in poetic Pitmatic,and the Forward is one of the most inspirational piece of writing I have come across and it is entitled "Six netties past the tap", the tap being in Howard row where he was born but lived most of his life in 2 Second Street.
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    The Netherton Ghost, umm, I think if you had gone around the duckets on a Saturday afternoon and mentioned that I think the reply would have been "howay man wat goest in ee's reet mind wid wanna waak aroon doon a pit? Gidda way an divvint taak see stupit"
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    Before a gaan ti pile sum ZZZZZ's up,a thowt a better clarify a previous comment aboot the Canteen Lasses on Area bonus,me comment wasn't meant ti soond derogatory,cos them lasses did a gud hard job,at a pit like Bates,wi 2000 men! Naa,me comment was meant ti include AAL surface staff who were contracted on the area bonus scheme,which was the average of the bonus's of every individual pit in the area,and included Wages clerks,Time office staff,and aal them[thoosands of them!!]...at the Area Headquarters at Teems Valley Gateshead. People in the offices,nae disrespect,cos we wud be badly on withoot them,but it made us sore,ti knaa they were getting £40 a shift,sumtimes when we were gettin hurt in accidents,roof falls of stone,soaking wet,coming oot the pit wi arms hanging doon like a gorilla,tired oot,after filling two "Shots" of coal,humping heavy girders,etc,soakng wet,dust,fumes........for sumtimes 90 pence a shift!!![rant over!!!....purely for educashun porpises...like!!!]
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    Hi Eggy,and Pete! Forst off! ...A "Cyevil" [slang],spelt and pronounced correctly,in Queen's English,would read as "Cavil" ,and sound like "Kayvil". A Cyevil was any place of work in a seam,for the Pieceworkers,i.e. Coalfillers,Caunchmen,Coalcuttermen,"Pullers"..[or,at some pits].."Bumpers",[who advanced the conveyor belt into the new facetrack each day,after the coal had been cut,drilled and fired doon,and filled off onto the conveyor belt],Drillers,and in the days before longwall faces and conveyor belts,you had the Putters,and Drivers. Before mechanical coalcutters came alang,you had what is depicted on my photo of Wor Auld Chep,aged 14,and he's old Marra the Hewer. The Hewers literally "Hewed" [picked] the coal down from the solid seam,and filled waiting tubs,to which the Putter would either "Hand-put" [push by hand],or hang his pony on and take the tubs out to a landing. Aal the putters in the different flats,[or "Cyevils"],would dae the syem,until there was enough tubs to make up a "Set",to which the Drivers would hang thier horse onto,and tek the sets oot ti thi shaft bottom...["Thier"? ..or "Their"?!!!] When longwall faces came alang,ye had the Caunchmen etc,as aforementioned. So!...because conditions varied throughout the pit ,wet seams,and coalfaces,dry seams,but with raggy roof-stone or floor-heave,generally bad conditions,and some with what miners would say was "Stannin' like a Palace..",it was only fair to have a means of giving every worker a fair chance to take the gud wi thi bad. It became practise to to "Draa the Cyevils"..[Draw the Cavils],every "Quaata",[Quarter],which was the 13 weeks referred to in Jack's poem. All the workers' "Tallies",[pit safety tokens with each man's number on],would be thrown "inti thi hat",[so to speak!],and a list of all the Cyevils available would be drawn up.[In categories to ensure the experienced workers were alloted to a cyevil in thier domain!] The person "Drawing" [picking out] the tallies,one at a time,would call out the name of the Cyvil first..."Beamont Seam,Forst North Mothergate Caunch[these would be drawn from the quota of Caunchmen] Then the Coalfillers Cyevils would be drawn next,the Cuttermen,Drillers,etc. Pete is right,as far as the Fillers go,cos they could Draw a good stretch of coal,nice and dry,gud roof conditions,meant gud money,or he cud draw a stinking wet cyevil,on the same face,further along,with faulted ground,[bad roof conditions],which meant slow progress....less money!! In the old arc-walls,with Hewers,if he had a stinking bad cyevil,nea money,then the putters and drivers suffered also,cos coal paid thier wages! At the end of each "Quaata",the last friday of the quaata was called "Shifting-gear-day". All the faceworkers brought thier picks shovels,saws,mels,and wativvor else they needed,out of the pit,cos they might draw a cyevil in another part of the pit a mile away!!,so they needed to have all thier gear ready to go with them to the new cyevil...wherever it might be.[they had to buy all their gear in the old days!] In a nutshell,it was virtually a raffle of job places!! Now,although the Cyevilling system was brought to an end with the introduction of the Power Loading Agreement,in the early 1960's,when Mechanisation took over coal production,there were still some Cyevills which were agreed as a "Bargain" with Management,long before the P.L.A. came along,such as the 6th North,in the Plessey Seam at Bates Pit,and the teams of Development [or "Composite"]men,were still on the old-fashioned "Piecework" agreement,making really good money,right up to the pit closing down in 1986! When Thatcher and British Coal brought out the new "Productivity Bonus Scheme",we all new it would put "Man against Man"...,and ..."Pit against Pit". It DID! Up to the pit closures,those who had a gud Cyevil,[or pit!],like Ellington,or the Nottingham pits,made fantastic money,and those who had rotten Cyevils,like those poor sods down the Three-Quarter Drift,at Bates,which was a heavily-faulted Seam,teeming in with Sea-water,and atrocious roof conditions,made NOWT! There was a time when the pit canteen lasses who were on the Area bonus,had forty times more bonus per shift,than my Marra's and myself,who had 90pence per shift sometimes,[due to really bad conditions],when ELLINGTON MEN WERE GETTING £100 PER SHIFT!! Now THAT was the unfairness of a modern "Bonus" scheme,compared to a century-old "Cyevilling" system,where at least,everybody was given a fair crack of the whip,and lads could,if they so desired,swap cyevils with another lad,if it suited them both. Sorry folks,but ye canna explain pitwark in one sentence!!,hope aav helped ye understand, Eggy! A just remembered,at Choppington High Pit,when aa started ,in 1959,the Coalfillers used ti "Bargain" with Management,by the whole team of fillers on each face,putting "Tenders"in,to try and get ["Win"] a good "Bargain price",for the next Quarter,when a new face was ready for production,and existing faces were being abandoned. Just like businesses,whoever put the lowest tender,got the FACE,albeit,at a bit lower pay,but better than Shift-work! At Choppington,we had 13 yards of coal per stretch,[ from 2'-3"..down to 18" high,and soaking wet bad roof]and,at Bedlington A pit,we had 9 yards of coal per filler,at 1'-10" to 2'-2" high. [and dusty dry,with a solid post-stone roof!]..this was in the 1960's don't forget!..hand-filling with a huge "George Rock" pan shovel!
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    Politics should always be about truth and honesty. Bedlington and the independents have proved that point. Working together with all parties is now essential.
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    From the Northumberland Conservatives 2017 manifesto: 'We don’t think the highly-centralised ARCH with its Ashington-only focus is working. That is why we will scrap it' Perhaps the new authority can take a look at Arch and see if there is a can of worms before they scrap it.
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    Im so glad the independents got in. It was about time for Val to go. I doubt the passenger train is gonna be stopped just because shes not there
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    Now we get to know for sure if May is a genuine reformer or just another establishment-owned BS'er. If there is no undertaking to create a properly elected House of Lords in the Tory Party manifesto we'll all know the truth. The current "desire" to reduce the numbers simply won't wash!
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    But... maybe... Hmmm! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/20/theresa-may-knighthoods-shake-up-lose-gong-dishonour/
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    Thank you Eggy1948 - I have done this now. And thank you Maggie/915. I thought you might like to know more about these Bedlingtonians in NSW. I delayed replying while I checked for information on William Chapman again. This was fruitful. I would think that moving from Norfolk farmlands to the coal mines of Bedlington was a brave decision. I wonder why the Chapmans moved? I found James Chapman was born in Cawston and Mary Ann Barber in Salle. In the 1861 Census James is an agricultural labourer “near Dalling [Wood],” Heydon. Son William (b 1863) and daughter Jane (b 1867) were born in Guide Post. In the 1871 Census the family are living in the Back Row, Scotland Gate. The elder sons, John, aged 15, and Samuel, aged 13, are miners. Father James is a labourer, so it was not the case that James was unable to work and that the sons had to go down the mines. In the 1871 Census, I also found the Tubby family from Cawston living in Guide Post. There are no persons named Tubby – a Norfolk name that appears back in Jane's pedigree – living in Northumberland in the 1861 Census. I cannot imagine that there was a recruitment drive in Norfolk for miners for the new Choppington mines. And then an even braver decision: as described in my earlier post, James and Mary Ann, at advanced age for the times (ages on immigration details 50 and 54 respectively), take their two youngest children and immigrate to New South Wales! They leave behind their other 2 daughters, Mary Ann and Sarah, and other 2 sons; also, James’ father, Samuel is still alive when they leave (he had remarried in 1851) according to the immigration records. If the decision was for warmer climes as well as opportunity for the children, it is sad that Mary Ann died of bronchitis only seven years later. Reports from their parents must have been positive for sons John and Samuel to follow some four years later, although they both remained coal miners: John and wife Jane initially settling in the coal mining area of the Hunter Valley, where they had sons, then settling in another coal mining area at Wollongong south of Sydney. Samuel and wife Lydia also settled in Wollongong. My great-grandmother Jane moved around NSW with her husband Peter Hunter. There would be no trouble getting work as a baker. They moved every 2-3 years, travelling by train. The youngest child, Jessie, was born in 1911 in the tiny village of Wongarbon, near Dubbo in western NSW. Peter and Jane lived in suburban Sydney at the end of their lives. How Bedlington-born William Chapman’s life’s journey went I cannot determine. The name is too common to find out if he married and had children or where he lived, but I did find newspaper accounts of the death of a William Chapman who died suddenly of a heart attack on 17/1/1916 at Dubbo, having walked with a mate from Wongarbon that day (about 12 miles). They had made camp and were looking for labouring work. The mate said that William had a sister living in Sydney. This William’s death was registered with parents unknown. He was 54, so age and place suggests that he was very likely Jane’s brother. He was buried in the Dubbo cemetery. Perhaps William lived with, or near Jane and Peter as they travelled around. John Chapman and his son “Geordie” died months apart in 1919 in Wollongong, perhaps of the pneumonic flu: there was an epidemic at this time. John died at home, Geordie at the emergency hospital that had been built to cope with the cases of flu. Samuel and his wife Lydia lived full lives. Samuel died in March 1942 at home in Wollongong and Lydia in October of the same year. I do not have any contact with Jane’s descendants, but you can be sure that there is plenty of her Bedlington blood in Australia today.
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    Picnics at the ready! It's back! The Bedlington community is pleased to welcome back there community lead event, “The Bedlington Picnic”. After last year’s great success the Bedlington community has begun planning their next event. Already the planning group has been donated £2000 by Former Northumberland County Council Councillor Val Tyler to make this year a success. DW Media has also volunteered his services this year by donating some equipment for the event along with a photo studio where guests can have their photo taken with props and some familiar faces…. Also back this year is the Bedlington Terriers football club who will be running activates for the day. The date has been set for the 1st July which will see local music, talent, businesses and food for the whole family to enjoy. Organiser Vic Thomson said “This is a great opportunity for local people to get involved with their community and show we can come together to make something great!” Entry is free to the event with entertainment running all day for the whole family. The event is still open for more community lead groups and businesses buy stall space by going to the Facebook page Bedlington Picnic or by looking on the website www.bedlingtonpicnic.co.uk
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    Well, sonny, you are now talking about 100 years ahead. But you see that's what the dishonest Labour people will do in the future. They'll want to apply emotive images of the past to future situations when your children and their children have progressed way beyond what we can imagine today. And they'll want to pretend that this advancement was solely due to them and not due to the aspirations that we all share. -------- P.S. Happy to tackle your now outed questions directly bb, but can we cut out the silly emotive stuff that is designed to appeal to the politically naive (in Emily Thornberry contemptuous style) - there aren't too many of those left - in case you haven't noticed!
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    Good that you mentioned "stong and styeble" because there are times in history where we need that but a lot of times when we all profit from a bit of instability. Right now the dishonest Tory people and dishonest Labour people got us into a big mess by trying to give OUR County away, and we've only just said NO! Every time we've got into a big mess we've needed a few honest Tories to get us out of it; the honest Labour people mean well but aren't very good at running things, only at giving other people's money away - until it runs out! But, you shouldn't vote for the same party all the time as whoever they are they get sloppy and start looking after themselves. Communities who vote for the same party all the time tend to impoverish themselves - because they are disregarded by one party and taken for granted by the other - simply by asking the question you've shown that you're more intelligent than that.
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    Well it is Mothers day here! Happy Mothers Day to all you moms, hope you have a great day.
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    I know of only two deaths at Netherton pit in my time at the colliery. I think the accident you refer to here would be George Johnson who lived in First Street. I was good friends with both his sons, Ken and Eric, Eric who later worked in a butchers opposite Keenlysides at the station is sadly no longer with us. I still see Ken on the odd occasion. Ken was slightly older than me and Eric slightly younger and along with Jimmy Blake, also sadly no longer with us (He was killed in a tragic bus accident on the M1 that was witnessed by the Queen and his wife has a wonderful sympathy card from her) Anyway the four of us as kids used to go to the Newcastle matches on one Saturday and the Sunderland matches the next. But when push came to shove we where all Sunderland fans! When we went to the Sunderland games we got Raisbecks to the top end then the 3 or 3A to Newcastle, invariably when we got the 3 non other than Cecil Irwin would be in the back seat of the decker. Who is Ces Irwin? You have never lived. Look up Sunderland football club on the net. Here was Ces, 16 years old, going to play in front of a crowd 30,000 plus and we just two or three years younger going to watch him and here we were travelling on the same bus! Can you imagine that happening now? I still see Ces on the odd occasion at the Newbiggin Golf Club and he recons the sprint dodging shoppers between the Haymarket and Worswick Steet to catch the bus to Sunderland was the best training he ever had! As an aside, we used to get 5 bob pocket money to go to Newcastle and 7 and a tanner to go to Sunderland. The other death was Alan Stappard that lived 2 Third Street. I think he was crushed by a coal cutter, I am sure the details are in the Durham Mining website. Nice lad Alan, liked his motorbikes.
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    Noel got job on bank at Netherton searching miners for "contraband" (cigarettes, pipe baccy etc.) He got the nickname of a siger who was popular at the time - Tab Hunter..................
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    Why don't they just say Vote Corbyn and we will ensure that you get Blair?
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    Cavels. Lots. Casting cavels, casting lots is referred to as a Northumberland term in Francis Grose's Provincial Glossary of 1787. The son of Francis Grose was governor of New South Wales 1792-1794.
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    There's never an "End of" to the democratic process for thinking people Eggy. But, your right to continue to cast a meaningful vote wherever you wish, and your right to make a mistake and your right to correct it later, is what the majority of us voted for in the referendum. If you've any doubt that this right was about to be progressively removed from us then take a look at the internet censorship proposals coming out of Brussels this week. When they try to abuse the word "populist" they are in fact targeting the British notion of democracy.
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    ..and the Telegraph and DM saves the Labour Party printing costs by publishing the leaked Corbyn Labour Party manifesto detailing a return to 1983 chaos, and disastrous spend spend spend economics. How could this possibly have happened, unless... some senior figure(s) inside the Labour Party wanted them to lose the election badly! Naahh... what a silly thought!
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    A thowt just came ti me,when aa was thinking aboot hoo we drew cyevils,locally,amang the spare men,ti fill cyevils that were temporarily vacated because of sickness or men on rest days ,or whatever. This was at every pit,and right up till all the pits closed in the Thatcher years after the 1984 strike,from the start of pits! The overman would call the spare men together and say.."Howweh lads,hoy ya tallies in the hat".[this was directly before gaan doon in the cage at the start of the shift.] They had ti wait till everybody had clocked in by the start-time,before draa-in' the spare cyevils. So the owaman wud caal oot "22's face,Shearer-man",then he wud get one of the lads ti pick a tally oot thi hat,or he might pick them oot he'sell'. Whey me point was,me Marra,who was a proper character,weel knaan and weel liked,AALWIS drew a gud cyevil!! One day a said ti him,"Hoo cum ee elwis draa a gud cyevil,and ivry bugga else teks pot luck?" Wi a sly grin,he pulled he's tally oot o' he's pocket and sed,"Wilma,in this world,ye gotta get wise if ye want ti get on!!" "Hoo di ye mean like?" He pointed doon ti he's tally,and sqeezed it between he's two fingers and thumb,bending it inti nearly a right-angle shape,then as he hoyed it inti the hat for the draa,he laughed and sed .."Waatch Wilma!" The best cyevils were aalwis draan forst,so as the Owaman put he's hand inti thi hat,while caalin the cyevil oot,he rattled aal the tallies,fiddled aboot,and who's tally came oot?.........Spot on!! It was me Marra...AGAIN! Whey after a while thi lads started thinking it was a fix between the Owaman and me Marra! So me Marra sed,"A think aal let it gaan for a day or two,ye see Wilma,the bent tally aalwis finds it's way inti ya hand,inside the hat amang aal thi other tallies! Noo ye canna say it was truly cheating,cos ya tally DID get bent noo and again,cos ye were craaling aroond in very low rough conditions,wi mebbe a knife in ya pocket or other bits and bobs...mebbe a drill-bit etc. But the tally clerk wud straighten them ti hang them on the tally-board at the end of ya shift when ye hoyed ya tallies in at the time office,or when ye hoyed ya forst one in ti thi Banksman as ye got inti thi cage ti gaan doon. Me Marra was as sly as a fox,with a gud set of philosophies!
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    Spot on HPW and in much more detail than I could have described it. Cyevlin was still actual at Netherton during the fifties. One little amendment, (in case anybody wants to look it up), the word is 'cavel' - with an e, not 'cavil' with an i but I dare say there was a fair bit of cavil going on as well. It's a dialect word and follows the typical sound changing characteristics of the North East dialect. Compare cavel/cyevil with table/tyebil or cable/cyebil. It came to Britain from New Zealand in the 1800's. I've no idea how or why. What a wonderful resource we have here with the likes of HPW and Vic to answer mining qestions!
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    ... and congratulations to the intellgent people of Bedlington. Democracy gives us the right to vote but when all's said and done, it's intelligence that lets us use that vote wisely! Well done Malcolm! Looking forward to seeing more improvements in Bedlington.
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    @threegee While that's very true for a lot of the country, around here I think it's just people are sick and tired of the same old getting nowhere, it's like the labour party stick their fingers in their own ears every time the people speak, they just do what they want and ignore us. Brexit comes into it too (though it shouldn't as this was county elections). TBH I think there will be one heck of a cull of labour MPs come the election. Many are in shock at how many people have moved from labour to conservative in this region, it would have been unheard of even a short time ago. Sadly the conservatives took votes from my party too - like nearly all of em! On the plus side, my party have two parish seats and I know some of the independents have too, and believe me we all want the same. Definitely a win for Bedlington I think, and a wake up call to the remaining labour councillors. I truly think we'll see some very positive changes once everyone settles in.
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    Bedlington West, Malcolm Robinson, Independent
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    You heard what Foxy said! If you haven't already done it, NOW is the time to use your vote! Sitting on your backside moaning afterwards won't achieve anything. Malcolm puts many hours of his time every week into his work all he's asking for is a few minutes of your time!
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    Good luck, Malcolm and the rest of you - USE YOUR VOTE!!!!!!!!!!
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    Best of luck Malcolm, we need people who listen to the locals (like you do) and not just their controlling party whip, hence I'm standing down here in Sleekburn for a party with no whip! I'll stand up for the people firstly, and support any councillor with genuine improvement at heart, even if it goes against any UKIP policy, It's the people who matter. Thought I'd post this here as there's still a lot of people we didn't get to see or drop a leaflet in with - Further information available or speak to me on 01670 898119
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    he ganns on a bit, but i've papped in that ootside netty and he is right it was bloody cauld in the winter
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    You only had to read a few of my posts to know where I stand - and it most certainly isn't as a Tory voter! I sincerely hope that I don't have any "followers", and that everyone can think for themselves. Your retreat is only necessary if you think that your ideas won't stand up to public scrutiny. A full range of political views is always welcome here, but you should be prepared to justify them. If you are feeling a little sore we can declare a (partial) truce!
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    A catfight in Hartlepool makes the front page of a "quality" paper, and Jeremy Corbyn urges people not to vote for May because.. she is “presidential” in the way she controls power, and she's just like Tony Blair, who he now tells us is in reality a Tory! It seems that all the good things May has done are due to "Tory rebels" who constantly keep her on track. There's a contradiction or three in there Jeremy, but I'm sure you're our man if we have to live with more contradiction. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/ukip-leader-forced-cancel-rally-fight-brexiteer-remain-voter/
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    This is also in my collection, dated 1929. No name of band, suspect it is North Seaton Colliery Band. A young Billy Litster in foreground.
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    Because, sony, the truth about this world is that everyone must look after themselves and their family first, and anyone who pretends they are doing otherwise is being dishonest with you. An honest rich man will help advance your lot a little, but a dishonest poor one will part you from what little you have!
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    How do we know the Nissan problem was is attack and not a straightforward bug? It's often a convenient excuse to blame external parties for lack of testing; we've been hacked sounds so much more dramatic and blame-free than oops, dumb mistake. Nissan app developer busted for copying code from Stack Overflow Actually, whatever way you look at this the blame lies internally, as using a sixteen year old operating system that was always known to be riddled with bugs, was abandoned, and is has been complete maintained for three years now was asking for trouble. Practically every home user knows this and did the necessary long ago.
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    Not to worry it will be all over soon, and no matter what is said the outcome is certain. 1 Mrs May will win 2 The luvies will hold protests and marches against the democratically elected Governments plans 3 The Ruskies will be blamed for hacking something 4 Jerry will be replaced by someone who looks and talks different but thinks the same way.
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    As far as I am concerned there is an 'End of' for this election. For decades, this thinking man, has thought and I am now at the stage = earned a pension = retired = receiving my pension = spending my pension = relaxing = letting the next generations think and make decisions based on multiple, so called experts, different opinions. If they are all experts how do they have different opinions? Surely ALL experts should come to the same conclusion and have the same opinion. Then the non expert, the 'common man' can believe what he is being told and his decision will be made simple by the expertise, and honesty, of the expert. I know there will be more elections, more votes and more decisions will be made and each of those will have an 'End of' = make a decision and go for it = End of. What I can't stand is the rabbiting on, and on, and on. Day after day endless analysis from the TV reporters asking politicians questions that the reporters know the politician can't commit to an answer as they them selves don't know the answer until other decisions and events occur. You can digest and analyse every political party manifesto but in the end the majority of voters, who will never understand politics or politicians, will vote for either a) what their parents voted for or b ) the one they think has more personality than the rest. The minority of voters = self employed business people will vote for what they believe will benefit them and their business. That's it = End Of = no more on this election from me. Now I know that you will Labour over my words and your Conservative response will be Green with envy that a mere half Scottish and common man can make a Democratic decision based on the Liberal thoughts of Co-operative experts has Plaid right into your hands. I'm singing and dancing in the rain - Doobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do, what a glorious feeling I' happy again, just singing and dancing, in the remain. End Of
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    ... "cyek" there's another lovely example of that same sound changing characteristic which is so typical of the North East dialect.. The long 'ai' sound in cake and cavel becomes a short 'e' sound, as in egg. Then we stick a 'y' sound ( y as in yacht rather than y as in fairy). Lovely! Maybe the word went to Australia and then on to New Zealand before returning as dialect to England. That happened to the English word 'cake' which started out as Scandinavian 'kaka' and returned back to Scandinavia as 'keks'. Recycling at it's best! I did a search but can't find any trace of it as 'Queens English'. It only seems to have been a dialect word in Britain and only since the 18th century. Brian Cross, can you help? Have you heard the word 'cavel', or anything similar, anywhere down under?
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    Cheers HPW - a wuld nivver hev worked that oot! Looks like I drew a canny cyevil in life's lottery and me pussy in the oven has been worth it!.
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    "Bread and jam..." = Hard up!! [poor cyevil!] "Eggs and Ham"...= a canny pay.[gud cyevil!] Those were the days my Friend....!