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Yes, you read that correctly!  From Labour: "DON'T LET UKIP BREAK OUR GREAT LOVE".  And.. they say politicos can't ever tell the truth!

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/27/thanet-south-labour-and-tories-plead-dont-let-ukip-break-our-great-love/

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So... when Miliband and Cameron form "an understanding" (read coalition by another name) "in the interests of national stability" (read to preserve their elitist monopoly), are you going to apologise to everyone for your total naivety?

 

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I can remember someone in 2010 posting here that a LibCon coalition was an absurdity and wouldn't last. Like you they simply didn't comprehend how the establishment looks after its own. But, I'm sure they understand now!

 

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Do you know what the joke is Tony?  (Clue: It's one you learn on their Oxford PPE course.)

 

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-politics-of-ppe/

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But... you tell me you don't like links Tony!  It's worth reading that Spectator article though.  No propaganda there - just the truth about how the ruling elites operate.

 

How long before even you realise that Miliband is almost interchangeable with Cameron and Clegg?  Sure, he'll do a few token daft things like tinker with (but not actually end) non-dom status. Thus proving his credentials to his paymasters, and so go on to damage our economy a bit more in the process. But, he's a career politico simply out for number one, exactly like like "things can only get better" Blair.  The ruling elites can do their thing because deluded people like you let them.  They pull your strings, and you oblige by giving them your vote for the dumbest of reasons!  Nothing really changes, because at core you are comfortable with your delusions.  You are provided with a scapegoats by someone else - someone who happily does your thinking for you, and that's all you need. This is equally true if you are a tribal Tory, or (that dying breed) a tribal Liberal "Democrat"!

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Labour mate don't need a jumped up banker to change the way I feel it's sad that a working class man wants to vote for far right wing ideals

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The fact that you falsely keep claiming he's a banker is right on the Labour propaganda sheet.  Bankers are the new scapegoats (somehow not the Labour government who oversaw the banks and made all the rules under which they operated) so, if only it were true, and if only the audience were simpletons you hope they are... Keep on repeating the lie, keep on talking down to the electorate, that's the way Labour has always worked.

 

Only in your distorted view of the world could Ukip be far right.  At present it's the only true voice of the people.  The extremists are the crony capitalists your Westminster elitists are in league with.  Those friends of Mandleson and Blair who want to replace our democracy with their post-democratic society, where ordinary people are totally subservient to a European superstate, and all traces of British identity are erased.  International crony capitalism and your Westminster elites are hand in glove!

 

There's no need to feel sad for the working man Tony, he's learned a lot since 1997.  Reserve your sad for the people that LibLabCon are about to dupe - all over again!

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Care to comment on your "propaganda & you know that" remark now Tony?

 

You party's message: Dear Labour voter make sure you vote Tory to block that popular democracy upstart. We might be on the losing side this time, but you owe us one for the next round of Westminster musical chairs.  Fair do's all around - except, of course, for the idiots who tribally vote for our establishment parties.

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As a tribal voting idiot I just want to say that this has been a very disappointing election result for me and others like me who would like to see more equality of wealth, opportunity and a halt to picking on the weak and disadvantaged. A fairer and more just society with hope and an optimistic vision of the future would have been nice. One thing I have learnt is that policies are not as important as how you eat a sandwich.   

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As a tribal voting idiot I just want to say that this has been a very disappointing election result for me and others like me who would like to see more equality of wealth, opportunity and a halt to picking on the weak and disadvantaged. A fairer and more just society with hope and an optimistic vision of the future would have been nice. One thing I have learnt is that policies are not as important as how you eat a sandwich.   

 

Why do you believe that voting for professional politicians who came straight out of university into a party machine, and have never had a productive job in their life, would result in a "fairer and more just society"?  Their proposition is very simple: you allow us to continue to live in the style to which we've been accustomed, and we will tell you just what you want to hear.

 

Privately, these people will admit they dole out platitudes and hyperbole. They can be amazingly frank when it's strictly off the record.  It's almost as if they have an inner need to prove to themselves that at core they are honest.  Suggest to them that they explain the hard reality to their electorate and come clean on what can really be delivered, and they'll tell you that if they did that no one would vote for them.

 

Look at Ed's "carved in stone" promises.

 

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Looks great, doesn't it?  But look again and tell me how you or I will ever be able to tell if any of those promises have been kept.  They can be made to mean whatever Ed wants them to mean.  What the ^%%& does "A STRONG ECONOMIC FOUNDATION" mean?  It could be used to justify billions of pounds spent on useless infrastructure; just like when he blew huge sums, and put up everyone's energy bills, chasing "climate change" nonsense when he was the energy minister.  What he actually achieved was "a strong foundation" of private and national debt!

 

Little of the drivel that LibLabCon puts out is genuine policy.  It's generally pseudo-aspirational junk, only there to persuade uncritical people to feel good about voting for them.  It has little foundation in either fact or reality.  The thing about the bacon sarnie is that it's a familiar process we can relate to and immediately assess competency.

 

It illustrates that he's a dork who probably couldn't hold down a job as a supermarket shelf stacker, yet we are supposed to believe that he is capable of dealing with all the nation's thorny problems, ones that even specialists have no clear answers to. The extent of his detachment from reality is nowhere more evident than the his disastrous tenure as energy minister:

 

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/frederick-forsyth/437556/This-energy-policy-of-Ed-Miliband-s-will-go-up-in-smoke

 

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/24/energy-coal-carbon-capture-environment

 

The guy has already cost this country billions, and is probably single-handedly responsible for killing off what we had left of a coal industry.  He's also hit the very people he pretends to care about the hardest, both in bumping their energy bills, and then locking in the increase.  Tedious and often impossible to explain to the average voter, so the bacon sarnie metaphor has its uses.  The Country is well rid of both him and Balls!

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"The thing about the bacon sarnie is that it's a familiar process we can relate to and immediately assess competency."

 

No, it is irrelevant to the job in hand. I never was a fan of him, and didn't vote for them, but surely your rant, which I largely agree with, applies as much to UKIP as to any other party? Or do you expect us all to believe that because you are one of their faithful, they tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? The thing is, we seem to be a pretty intelligent bunch on here, and not afraid to air our opinions, but surely you don't think any one of us actually believes much of the guff that these people speak? When all is said and done, there is no 'quick fix'; no one party can magically do everything that's needed. The country - like many others in a world that is struggling in many ways - is a mess that will take a lot more than a magic wand to fix.

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I mentioned the bacon sarnie but in the past I could of mentioned an old man at the cenotaph with a duffel coat or a welsh man tripping on a beach but I don't think personalties come into as much as some people say. What I'm really sad about is the future which may reflect the past with no health service, child poverty rife and disease spreading from the people who can't afford proper treatment. The trouble is that every time labour lose an election there is always a shout both within and without the party for to move further right to become electable. I believe there are still major differences between the two main parties and these differences could be made more clear by a labour party with clearly stated left wing policies based on the aspirations of the people it was set up to help not by going for some middle of the road vague promises to keep the real power mongers (the international corporations) happy. Yes a lot of the careerist politicians did go to university but then again so did a lot of kids now stacking shelves in supermarkets. By reading this forum I have been convinced that I must do something so I'm off to join the Labour Party this week if they will have me.

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Good for you smudge! Whether I agree with your political stance or otherwise, I would not feel the need to who was wrong or who was right. I'm neither wrong nor right, I simply vote for what I believe is the best compromise

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Good for you smudge! Whether I agree with your political stance or otherwise, I would not feel the need to who was wrong or who was right. I'm neither wrong nor right, I simply vote for what I believe is the best compromise

Thanks. I've always been the same since I grew up. Each party tends to have things in their basic philosophies which I agree or disagree with such as freedom and liberty, equality and fairness, human rights etc and you have to decide on basic principles and which one coincides with your beliefs before you vote. I am not a 'tribal voter' and I do not cast my vote because of promises leading up to an election, I cast it based on my own beliefs and moral values. I do feel a bit guilty after this election  I shouldn't really complain because, except for voting I haven't done done much for a cause I believe in. That is going to change in the next few weeks. I'm singing the International in my head as I write this. 

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I mentioned the bacon sarnie but in the past I could of mentioned an old man at the cenotaph with a duffel coat or a welsh man tripping on a beach but I don't think personalties come into as much as some people say. What I'm really sad about is the future which may reflect the past with no health service, child poverty rife and disease spreading from the people who can't afford proper treatment. The trouble is that every time labour lose an election there is always a shout both within and without the party for to move further right to become electable. I believe there are still major differences between the two main parties and these differences could be made more clear by a labour party with clearly stated left wing policies based on the aspirations of the people it was set up to help not by going for some middle of the road vague promises to keep the real power mongers (the international corporations) happy. Yes a lot of the careerist politicians did go to university but then again so did a lot of kids now stacking shelves in supermarkets. By reading this forum I have been convinced that I must do something so I'm off to join the Labour Party this week if they will have me.

 

In the "old man at the cenotaph with a duffel coat" you'd be talking about another Oxford PPE graduate and champaign socialist, Michael Foot. In your haste to excuse his blunder you're missing the prime fact: the "duffel coat" (or donkey jacket) spoke clearly to most people that he'd lost touch with reality, and lived in his own world.  No one could see him as a leader on the world stage, or someone that could get to grips with our own problems.  This was a view which transcended party allegiances, and in dismissing the general view your emotions are overruling your experience.

 

Of course I'm not saying that our leaders shouldn't go to university (did you read any of those critiques of the Oxford PPE?)!  It's the lack of depth of their experience (life, career, and educational), and the conformity of their thought, that's the reason for people's frustration with the present political classes.

 

It's amusing to read of your intention to join Labour (though are you clear which Labour Party you are about to join?).  A political analyst of the radio last night explained that the phenomena of people rushing to join political parties that have just been roundly defeated is a well documented one.  He explained that the transitory boost in membership never translates into actual votes, and used the recent example of the surge in Green Party membership (following Natalie Bennett's complete b-up on radio) not resulting in any improvement in their GE showing.

 

Your analysis of "power mongers (the international corporations)" isn't too far off the mark.  But, I fear you are about to join a party that is just about to renew its vows to crony capitalism.  Kippers are genuinely against crony capitalism, but they very sharply differentiate between home grown enterprise and global corporatism. The total failure of Miliband to go here resulted in his Labour Party being seen as anti-business. It's one of the principal reasons Labour insiders are putting forward to explain their failure.  In this respect they are spot on, and Alan Sugar's announcement only confirms this.

 

Thanks. I've always been the same since I grew up. Each party tends to have things in their basic philosophies which I agree or disagree with such as freedom and liberty, equality and fairness, human rights etc and you have to decide on basic principles and which one coincides with your beliefs before you vote. I am not a 'tribal voter' and I do not cast my vote because of promises leading up to an election, I cast it based on my own beliefs and moral values. I do feel a bit guilty after this election  I shouldn't really complain because, except for voting I haven't done done much for a cause I believe in. That is going to change in the next few weeks. I'm singing the International in my head as I write this. 

 

After the inquest the Labour Party won't want to go anywhere near anyone holding that particular song sheet, so save your subscription.  Here's a useful check-list for you to explore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom#Minor_UK_left.2Ffar-left_parties

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Stop Press!!!

 

Hot off the teleprinter ... Nige to stay as bosskipper. 

 

Now we're only waiting for the announcements that Labour and the LDs have rejected their leaders' resignation letters. Real soon I'd imagine! :)

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Goodness, it's done, we voted, I voted, who I voted for didn't get in, I accept it, that's how it is. Life goes on.

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