suffragettes Emily Wilding Davison

[Maggie/915]

Thanks for the re tweet

[Symptoms]

Maggs wrote: "Others lined the route of the the train standing at stations to pay there respects."

Thank goodness our two Keiths weren't around at the time, they may have chucked themselves infront of the train by way of protest.

[keith lockey]

Maggs wrote: "Others lined the route of the the train standing at stations to pay there respects."

Thank goodness our two Keiths weren't around at the time, they may have chucked themselves infront of the train by way of protest.

The American Indians used to call the train the Iron Horse but I think I'll leave jumping in front of moving objects to those who think they know best. Unless it's a nude Kylie Minogue jogging by my house - now I might jump out at that.

[Maggie/915]

Yesterday in Morpeth:-

A perfect day with every viewpoint expressed in a service at Saint Mary's and a play performed called 'To Freedoms Cause' in the riverside Leisure Centre,

I feel this thread could be used in a course on the use and abuse of argument, not to mention people using humour while claiming to take offence.

The demand that questions are answered, when the answer is already there in the thread.

The insistence that the thread be closed down.

Surely we are all able to make up our own minds.

Long live freedoms cause!

There is another thread in the Northumberland Chat Forum.

There is also reference to the arguments and a complaint in the closed Forum on the topic of Celebrate Bedlington.

Please feel free to comment on any thread.

That is why I joined the site.

[johndawsonjune1955]

Been in contact with someone who's grandfather was the undertaker for the funeral. Smith i believe his name to be (The Undertaker)

The lady is going to be kind enough to get some rare pics, and artefacts for pics to be taken.

Will update when i have met her and she knows a great deal about EWD so looking forward to it.

Let you know soon and update this topic

[Symptoms]

Excellent news John ... it's good to keep this topic going.

[Maggie/915]

And another thing, Bedlington related of course!

The national winner of the Emily Inspires competition was from Guidepost.

[Maggie/915]

I am told that at the Morpeth fair day parade there was an anti Emily /Suffragette float.

Seems they did not go down too well!'

[keith lockey]

As listed below - jockey Herbert Jones laid a wreath in honour of EWD. Did anybody from any of the woman's libs groups attended his funeral after he committed suicide, haunted by the face of EWD after she jumped in front of his horse. Or was he just forgotten about, which is very sad, after all, it was s decent gesture on his part towards the memory of EWD.

In 1913, Jones rode Anmer, the King's Horse, in the Derby. He was involved in a collision with Emily Davison, the suffragette, who was fatally injured. Jones suffered significant injuries himself, including mild concussion. However he was haunted "by that woman's face" for much longer after the incident. Fifteen years after the death of Emily Davison, Herbert Jones laid a wreath at the funeral of Emmeline Pankhurst in honour of her and Emily Davison.^[2]

Jones retired from riding in 1923. In 1951, he was discovered to have committed suicide after his son found him in a gas-filled kitchen.^[2]

[Barton Lad]

Stories a royal jockey was haunted by the face of a suffragette after his horse struck and fatally injured her are "utter rubbish", his son says.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-22717894

Mr Tanner, a sports writer who specialises in horse racing, said: "His wife's death and his deafness caused him to take his life."

This article from the BBC web site would appear to contest the idea that Emily Davison haunted Herbert Jones all is life.

However I do agree it would have been honourable if someone from the woman's movement had paid condolence to Herbert death in 1951. If this was not done, then I would suggest this action is taken ASAP, it is never too late. But I would be very surprised it someone from the movement did not attend Herbert funeral.

It would be also very interesting to know if any of the Royals sent their condolence, after all Herbert was the Kings jockey.

[keith lockey]

Excellent article, Barton Rafie, it makes me look at that issue with different eyes, and you are right concerning paying respect - from both the Woman's Movement and the Royals.

As I've said since day one on this topic; my gripe has never been with the suffragettes - they should have been given the vote from an early stage - any politician with an ounce of common sense should have seen how important it was. My main gripe is with the reckless action of EWD. She could have done more damage to the Suffragette movement If that jockey had died. The public opinion towards them would have been one of anger, especially if said jockey left a family behind.

Points of interest;

Did EWD act alone on that day? (Were there other Suffragettes with her at the course?)

Was her action sanctioned by her peers?

If not, why was she acting alone? Could it be because they would not have condoned such an act?

But anyway, a great bit of detective work, Barton, I hadn't come across that anywhere. Well done that man.

Edited June 21, 2013 by keith lockey

[Maggie/915]

By 1951 the original suffragettes would be rather old to go on a day trip.

Funerals are usually attended by the grieving family and friends.

[keith lockey]

Did anybody from any of the woman's libs groups attended his funeral after he committed suicide...

I said woman's libs groups, Maggie, I wasn't referring to the actual original Suffragettes themselves. I was referring to people like the ones who paraded down Morpeth. Did anyone from ANY group like that attend Herbert Jone's 1951 funeral.

By the way, Herbert Jones laid a wreath in honour of EWD at Emmiline Pankhurst's funeral. He wasn't family or friend. It was a truly decent act; one he need not have performed - but he did. God bless him for his forgiving nature.

Edited June 22, 2013 by keith lockey

[Symptoms]

I'm sure our two Keiths will be pleased to note and support Michael Gove's (Eductation Minister) redraft of the new History curriculum ...

Out At key stage 1, Isaac Newton, Florence Nightingale, Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Christina Rossetti have gone.

In They make way for Christopher Columbus, Neil Armstrong, William Caxton, Tim Berners-Lee, LS Lowry, Rosa Parks and Emily Davison.

Further info at: www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/jun/21/michael-gove-history-curriculum

[keith lockey]

I'm sure our two Keiths will be pleased to note and support Michael Gove's (Eductation Minister) redraft of the new History curriculum ...

Out At key stage 1, Isaac Newton, Florence Nightingale, Isambard Kingdom Brunel and Christina Rossetti have gone.

In They make way for Christopher Columbus, Neil Armstrong, William Caxton, Tim Berners-Lee, LS Lowry, Rosa Parks and Emily Davison.

Further info at: www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/jun/21/michael-gove-history-curriculum

It speaks for itself, doesn't it, Symptoms. It just shows you the state of the people running the education department.

I mean I believe Columbus thought he had found India....so he is being honoured for getting lost and 'discovering' America by sheer luck. Words are inadequate to such thinking.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Michael Gove........the guy leaves a trail of slime behind him!

[Maggie/915]

It seems Grace Darling or Emily Wilding Davison may feature on the new £5 note.

[Keith Scantlebury]

Grace Darling, now she's truly a Northumbrian heroine.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Michael Gove........the guy leaves a trail of slime behind him!

Sorry to hijack the thread but this guy needs locking up...........

[Maggie/915]

Very good Malcolm, the whole thing fits in well.

Use and abuse of argument, regardless of which side your on.

[Adam Hogg]

Michael Gove........the guy leaves a trail of slime behind him!

The current Tory party? At least Michael Gove is in it.

[Maggie/915]

Two more for the gallery

[Symptoms]

Maggs - is that Beamish?

[Maggie/915]

Yep

[Maggie/915]

Last weekend Beamish held a funeral and activities to remember Emily.

The place was very busy and so many many people were dressed in costume.

Amazing how people want to remember her and all she did.

One distraction is the replica train.